Comments on: Tips on paying for free software http://tasktop.com/blog/eclipse/tips-on-paying-for-free-software Task-focused productivity for Enterprise Agile ALM Sat, 19 May 2012 02:30:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Wesley Coelho http://tasktop.com/blog/eclipse/tips-on-paying-for-free-software/comment-page-1#comment-49679 Wesley Coelho Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:14:46 +0000 http://tasktop.com/blog/?p=42#comment-49679 No problem, glad we could help! No problem, glad we could help!

]]> By: Simon http://tasktop.com/blog/eclipse/tips-on-paying-for-free-software/comment-page-1#comment-49629 Simon Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:04:02 +0000 http://tasktop.com/blog/?p=42#comment-49629 Thank you sir! Now the essay will be awesome! Thank you sir! Now the essay will be awesome!

]]> By: Wesley Coelho http://tasktop.com/blog/eclipse/tips-on-paying-for-free-software/comment-page-1#comment-49594 Wesley Coelho Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:50:21 +0000 http://tasktop.com/blog/?p=42#comment-49594 Hi Simon, the picture of the scale with the clock and money is a royalty-free stock image that can be purchased from: <a href="http://www.stockxpert.com/browse_image/view/567003" rel="nofollow">http://www.stockxpert.com/browse_image/view/567003</a> Hi Simon, the picture of the scale with the clock and money is a royalty-free stock image that can be purchased from:

http://www.stockxpert.com/browse_image/view/567003

]]> By: Simon http://tasktop.com/blog/eclipse/tips-on-paying-for-free-software/comment-page-1#comment-49580 Simon Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:35:16 +0000 http://tasktop.com/blog/?p=42#comment-49580 Hi! We are two guys from Sweden and we´re writing an essay about the global warming. We wonder if it´s okey if we use your picture of the scale with the clock and the money? It would be awesome! Hi! We are two guys from Sweden and we´re writing an essay about the global warming. We wonder if it´s okey if we use your picture of the scale with the clock and the money? It would be awesome!

]]> By: Virgil http://tasktop.com/blog/eclipse/tips-on-paying-for-free-software/comment-page-1#comment-29796 Virgil Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:52:35 +0000 http://tasktop.com/blog/?p=42#comment-29796 Great article Mik, I work with Eclipse BIRT as well and often have to articulate the reasons someone should consider the Actuate "pay-for" versions for their project... It seems there is always a balancing act between your time, money, and project requirements to determine how much you should build and how much you should buy. The bottom line I get from this article is that you are always paying for software...even when it's free. Great article Mik, I work with Eclipse BIRT as well and often have to articulate the reasons someone should consider the Actuate “pay-for” versions for their project… It seems there is always a balancing act between your time, money, and project requirements to determine how much you should build and how much you should buy. The bottom line I get from this article is that you are always paying for software…even when it’s free.

]]> By: Mik Kersten http://tasktop.com/blog/eclipse/tips-on-paying-for-free-software/comment-page-1#comment-29516 Mik Kersten Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:42:55 +0000 http://tasktop.com/blog/?p=42#comment-29516 Here's a criticism that came up on a <a href="http://www.dzone.com/links/tips_on_paying_for_free_software.html" rel="nofollow">dzone post</a> that I want to address. <blockquote> Wow if you do not pay for 24x7 support your site goes down at Christmas, yes 3 months from now, because apparently Spring is what keeps it up and running or at least decided whether it should crash or not. Not the OS. Not the application. Not the management tools. Not operations. Without Spring and support your site is dead in the water at Christmas. </blockquote> My point of view on this, which may or not be the point of view of SpringSource, is that if your web app builds on a framework, that framework, along with the OS, the database, and your application, is responsible for the stability of your app. Since the Spring Framework issue is heated right now, we could also argue this in terms of another framework like .NET. If you just updated or patched your ORM mapping or other database tools, and introduced an incompatibility between that and the framework that fails to manifest itself until pushing production, you could have a problem. If the framework is providing a WS layer for you, you may need security and other patches for that WS layer as exploits become known. In other words, my point of view on this is that so much functionality traditionally associated with OSes and app servers is being captured by the frameworks, especially those that provide IoC, that it helps to think of them as another sort of runtime. Here’s a criticism that came up on a dzone post that I want to address.

Wow if you do not pay for 24×7 support your site goes down at Christmas, yes 3 months from now, because apparently Spring is what keeps it up and running or at least decided whether it should crash or not. Not the OS. Not the application. Not the management tools. Not operations. Without Spring and support your site is dead in the water at Christmas.

My point of view on this, which may or not be the point of view of SpringSource, is that if your web app builds on a framework, that framework, along with the OS, the database, and your application, is responsible for the stability of your app. Since the Spring Framework issue is heated right now, we could also argue this in terms of another framework like .NET. If you just updated or patched your ORM mapping or other database tools, and introduced an incompatibility between that and the framework that fails to manifest itself until pushing production, you could have a problem. If the framework is providing a WS layer for you, you may need security and other patches for that WS layer as exploits become known. In other words, my point of view on this is that so much functionality traditionally associated with OSes and app servers is being captured by the frameworks, especially those that provide IoC, that it helps to think of them as another sort of runtime.

]]> By: Mik Kersten http://tasktop.com/blog/eclipse/tips-on-paying-for-free-software/comment-page-1#comment-29515 Mik Kersten Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:39:43 +0000 http://tasktop.com/blog/?p=42#comment-29515 Regarding freespring.org, I think that Oleg's comment makes the key points. In addition, having spent time with Rod and other SpringSource engineers like Christian Dupuis and Juergen Hoeller, I know just how deeply these guys care about serving the needs of the open source community. The challenge with freespring.org is that it assumes that SpringSource won't do a good enough job serving the communities' needs, whereas I believe that they will. Regarding freespring.org, I think that Oleg’s comment makes the key points. In addition, having spent time with Rod and other SpringSource engineers like Christian Dupuis and Juergen Hoeller, I know just how deeply these guys care about serving the needs of the open source community. The challenge with freespring.org is that it assumes that SpringSource won’t do a good enough job serving the communities’ needs, whereas I believe that they will.

]]> By: Oleg Zhurakousky http://tasktop.com/blog/eclipse/tips-on-paying-for-free-software/comment-page-1#comment-29513 Oleg Zhurakousky Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:44:29 +0000 http://tasktop.com/blog/?p=42#comment-29513 Nice points Mik As to freespring.org, IMHO it is quite irrelevant for several reasons. First, building spring is very simple (less then 5 min). And as a guy who wants to play with bleeding edge technologies I have been and will still be making my own builds from the trunk as I do with other projects. Second, when the morning comes and I have to go and act out my role of an architect on some large scale Spring based commercial project. . . at that time I am already locked on a specific stable version of Spring (i.e., 2.5.5). The state of the latest and greatest build is no longer my worries. In fact what I do worry about is not even decided by my, but rather CIO, who's gonna want some support for this stack and the fact that Spring up until now didn't have a formal maintenance policy was making such CIO scared. So, back to freespring.org, the argument of making builds as the convenience is prety lame. . . first I see no convenience, second - don't waste money on hosting it. . . use torrents or something, cheaper with the same results Nice points Mik

As to freespring.org, IMHO it is quite irrelevant for several reasons.
First, building spring is very simple (less then 5 min). And as a guy who wants to play with bleeding edge technologies I have been and will still be making my own builds from the trunk as I do with other projects.
Second, when the morning comes and I have to go and act out my role of an architect on some large scale Spring based commercial project. . . at that time I am already locked on a specific stable version of Spring (i.e., 2.5.5). The state of the latest and greatest build is no longer my worries. In fact what I do worry about is not even decided by my, but rather CIO, who’s gonna want some support for this stack and the fact that Spring up until now didn’t have a formal maintenance policy was making such CIO scared.
So, back to freespring.org, the argument of making builds as the convenience is prety lame. . . first I see no convenience, second – don’t waste money on hosting it. . . use torrents or something, cheaper with the same results

]]> By: raveman http://tasktop.com/blog/eclipse/tips-on-paying-for-free-software/comment-page-1#comment-29511 raveman Tue, 07 Oct 2008 09:39:18 +0000 http://tasktop.com/blog/?p=42#comment-29511 What you think about Freespring.org ? What you think about Freespring.org ?

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